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Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2025 10:17 am

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Guest wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 12:54 pm Looks like MHR has finally gone back and reset all of those Rattlers games to forfeit loses instead. They're about to go tumbling down the rankings and it will impact the other teams that they have wins over because now they won't be the high ranked #5 in Ontario team. Will be interesting to see the new rankings next week.

So the Rattlers dropped form 5th place to 6th place in the rankings, even after all the forfeits.
Well that was a big tumble!

MHR doesn’t count forfeited games, so it’s not affecting that much

So why all the dramatic stuff…website, petition, media, letters? What a ridiculous group of individuals. Blaming the GTHL for their own failures and mistakes. This needs to just go away.

Maybe scouts won’t check team which didn’t make playoffs or barely made it. Of course, considering that scouts are checking AA at all

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2025 10:22 am

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2025 10:17 am

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2025 9:57 am

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2025 9:44 am

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2025 9:31 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 12:54 pm Looks like MHR has finally gone back and reset all of those Rattlers games to forfeit loses instead. They're about to go tumbling down the rankings and it will impact the other teams that they have wins over because now they won't be the high ranked #5 in Ontario team. Will be interesting to see the new rankings next week.

So the Rattlers dropped form 5th place to 6th place in the rankings, even after all the forfeits.
Well that was a big tumble!

MHR doesn’t count forfeited games, so it’s not affecting that much

So why all the dramatic stuff…website, petition, media, letters? What a ridiculous group of individuals. Blaming the GTHL for their own failures and mistakes. This needs to just go away.

Maybe scouts won’t check team which didn’t make playoffs or barely made it. Of course, considering that scouts are checking AA at all

Oh wow, you think that’s their concern? That their kids won’t get scouted to the OHL? How many do from AA anyway. Seriously if that’s what they are in an uproar about that are crazier than we thought.

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2025 11:31 am Despite the admitted oversights of the team registrar/Rattlers organization
Everyone else is to blame.
It’s the fault of the person who noticed the error- not the admitted fact the error was made repeatedly in the first place.

The initial & reasonable 1 game loss/6 game trainer suspension doled out by the G, the resolution offered was not satisfactory & affected the pride of the Rattler parents.
They poked the G bear, appealed & have to forfeit more games.
Let us guess- the G is to blame for the Rattlers decision to appeal.

Despite the forfeits imposed by the appeal, the Rattlers still make the playoffs. But, they don’t want to play the team they may potentially oppose, because Rattlers could loose.
If the Rattlers get eliminated, it’s the fault of playoff bracket placement, not what the team itself may lack in strength.

Quite the predictable pattern these Rattler parents like to adhere to.

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2025 11:31 am Despite the admitted oversights of the team registrar/Rattlers organization
Everyone else is to blame.
It’s the fault of the person who noticed the error- not the admitted fact the error was made repeatedly in the first place.

The initial & reasonable 1 game loss/6 game trainer suspension doled out by the G, the resolution offered was not satisfactory & affected the pride of the Rattler parents.
They poked the G bear, appealed & have to forfeit more games.
Let us guess- the G is to blame for the Rattlers decision to appeal.

Despite the forfeits imposed by the appeal, the Rattlers still make the playoffs. But, they don’t want to play the team they may potentially oppose, because Rattlers could loose.
If the Rattlers get eliminated, it’s the fault of playoff bracket placement, not what the team itself may lack in strength.

Quite the predictable pattern these Rattler parents like to adhere to.

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2025 11:31 am Despite the admitted oversights of the team registrar/Rattlers organization
Everyone else is to blame.
It’s the fault of the person who noticed the error- not the admitted fact the error was made repeatedly in the first place.

The initial & reasonable 1 game loss/6 game trainer suspension doled out by the G, the resolution offered was not satisfactory & affected the pride of the Rattler parents.
They poked the G bear, appealed & have to forfeit more games.
Let us guess- the G is to blame for the Rattlers decision to appeal.

Despite the forfeits imposed by the appeal, the Rattlers still make the playoffs. But, they don’t want to play the team they may potentially oppose, because Rattlers could loose.
If the Rattlers get eliminated, it’s the fault of playoff bracket placement, not what the team itself may lack in strength.

Quite the predictable pattern these Rattler parents like to adhere to.

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2025 11:31 am Despite the admitted oversights of the team registrar/Rattlers organization
Everyone else is to blame.
It’s the fault of the person who noticed the error- not the admitted fact the error was made repeatedly in the first place.

The initial & reasonable 1 game loss/6 game trainer suspension doled out by the G, the resolution offered was not satisfactory & affected the pride of the Rattler parents.
They poked the G bear, appealed & have to forfeit more games.
Let us guess- the G is to blame for the Rattlers decision to appeal.

Despite the forfeits imposed by the appeal, the Rattlers still make the playoffs. But, they don’t want to play the team they may potentially oppose, because Rattlers could loose.
If the Rattlers get eliminated, it’s the fault of playoff bracket placement, not what the team itself may lack in strength.

Quite the predictable pattern these Rattler parents like to adhere to.

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2025 2:22 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2025 11:31 am Despite the admitted oversights of the team registrar/Rattlers organization
Everyone else is to blame.
It’s the fault of the person who noticed the error- not the admitted fact the error was made repeatedly in the first place.

The initial & reasonable 1 game loss/6 game trainer suspension doled out by the G, the resolution offered was not satisfactory & affected the pride of the Rattler parents.
They poked the G bear, appealed & have to forfeit more games.
Let us guess- the G is to blame for the Rattlers decision to appeal.

Despite the forfeits imposed by the appeal, the Rattlers still make the playoffs. But, they don’t want to play the team they may potentially oppose, because Rattlers could loose.
If the Rattlers get eliminated, it’s the fault of playoff bracket placement, not what the team itself may lack in strength.

Quite the predictable pattern these Rattler parents like to adhere to.

My kid is not in this cohort, but a similar case happened to us a few years ago. The main issue we had then, and I still have now, is that the GTHL follows the letter of the law and not the spirit of the law. That may be because they have to deal with so many lawsuits it's their defaults setting. The rule itself, on unregistered team officials and players, is a sound one. The problem is in application of the punishment when it is clearly proven to be a clerical error. Our team self reported our error after 6 games into our season. We received: 20 game coach's suspension and all wins turned to forfeits. On appeal our coach's suspension was reduced to 10 games. It cost us 1st place in the division by season's end.

It's odd that on appeal the penalty to MR was increased exponentially. It seems excessively punitive. I can't speak to the motivations of the MR parents etc. I don't know them. I do think the G needs to review and reform this policy going forward. The penalty for a sincere clerical gaffe needs to be borne by the association (which is ultimately responsible for ensuring all paperwork is correct). Make it a fine to the association. More than $1000. But in no way should players be penalized for these kind of errors. It's a genuine miscarriage of justice.

In the end, our team used the scenario as a motivator. We ended up winning the G and going to OHFs. Maybe MR can do the same.