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Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 11:02 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 10:36 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 9:54 am What level of sport has anyone on this chat ever played that doesn’t play the best players in the most important times. That is sports, from tyke to the nhl. I am not agreeing with it but it is the reality. Coaches want to win all of them. Parents have to develop kids full stop.

At this point, finishing U14 AAA and transitioning to U15 AAA you need ask yourself a question - Why is my kid still playing? There are a few answers
1) He wants to have fun, and after U16 its beerleagues
- then move to the midpack team where you will win some games, have like minded friends and win some mid-pack tourneys to remember (may be even some summer Canlan AA trouney - but who cares, for memories a medal is medal). The main point is - stop being obsessed about coaches, playing time, stats etc. And statistically, that's where most will end ...
2) He wants to play OHL and then have an shot at NHL draft or NCAA. Then you can honeslty answer yourself what makes a player making a draft. Being on a top team, able to win at critical times, score at critical games (not when you run-time someone in the middle of 2nd) contributes a lot to that. U16 Gthl has 2 stud teams - DMF and TT and 3 runners ups (JRC, VK and TM) in comparison to U14 (with 2 stud teams and 1 runner up) - AND these two top teams have 1/3 of the first two rounds of draft (20 players) and the 3 runners up have another third (another 20 players).
It is very likely (based on both stats, team composition, future selections and where the kids from other teams are right now) that the current U14 top teams will take the 50% of the draft in two years. For sure, a kid from Elgin may go under #1 and a kid from COW may go under #3, but its the numbers game in the end....
- So if you want to be there - get on a top team and try to fight for every second of ice you can get, and if you are not big enough, compensate with skill, grit and iq. Yes, you have to be liked by coach as well. So if you dont get that kind of treatment - consider your options - time is ticking.
3) You are certain that your kid is a 'late bloomer' and want to invest in him so he becomes a spuerstar when he is 20. Its possible, and there lots of examples like that - "pavol datsuk" is the one I like
- then dont worry about the team at all. Let him play whenever, train and hope for the best (and plan to fund it for another 6 years) - but be prepared for the outcome of echl training camp and then a stint in the second french division, where the pay is a bowl of soup and a very nice baget.

But in any case, stop complaining about top 3 orgs and the coaching. All three are different and good and have different objectives:
1) VK needs to win, to have as many players at draft as possible so his resume is built up and he can move up in the world
2) JRC needs to have players who are paying the fees at his school and winning is very important but comes second after that objectives
3) TM just needs to be in top 3 to keep reputation

You figured it out here…lol. Cookie cutter and you figured out the recipe. The kid playing on VK has aspirations to play in the show and the kid playing on the Reps is a future beer leaguer aspriration. I’ll bet on 99% of this 2011 age group in this chat will be in the beer league by the time they’re 22. Stats don’t lie. Enjoy the ride it’s almost over. Let the kids have fun.

True enough. There will be a very very small percentage that play beyond 22 years of age. Another small percentage will play competitively after U16. It’s about prioritizing life and career ambitions. Some will stretch it out as long as they can, some will understand that hockey is not going to pay the bills for them so getting ahead in the real world might be a better option. There is no wrong answer and each kid/family has the right to do their own thing. For the majority, competitive hockey is over after U16. Enjoy the ride and support all the kids. It goes by too fast!

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 11:17 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 11:02 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 10:36 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 9:54 am What level of sport has anyone on this chat ever played that doesn’t play the best players in the most important times. That is sports, from tyke to the nhl. I am not agreeing with it but it is the reality. Coaches want to win all of them. Parents have to develop kids full stop.

At this point, finishing U14 AAA and transitioning to U15 AAA you need ask yourself a question - Why is my kid still playing? There are a few answers
1) He wants to have fun, and after U16 its beerleagues
- then move to the midpack team where you will win some games, have like minded friends and win some mid-pack tourneys to remember (may be even some summer Canlan AA trouney - but who cares, for memories a medal is medal). The main point is - stop being obsessed about coaches, playing time, stats etc. And statistically, that's where most will end ...
2) He wants to play OHL and then have an shot at NHL draft or NCAA. Then you can honeslty answer yourself what makes a player making a draft. Being on a top team, able to win at critical times, score at critical games (not when you run-time someone in the middle of 2nd) contributes a lot to that. U16 Gthl has 2 stud teams - DMF and TT and 3 runners ups (JRC, VK and TM) in comparison to U14 (with 2 stud teams and 1 runner up) - AND these two top teams have 1/3 of the first two rounds of draft (20 players) and the 3 runners up have another third (another 20 players).
It is very likely (based on both stats, team composition, future selections and where the kids from other teams are right now) that the current U14 top teams will take the 50% of the draft in two years. For sure, a kid from Elgin may go under #1 and a kid from COW may go under #3, but its the numbers game in the end....
- So if you want to be there - get on a top team and try to fight for every second of ice you can get, and if you are not big enough, compensate with skill, grit and iq. Yes, you have to be liked by coach as well. So if you dont get that kind of treatment - consider your options - time is ticking.
3) You are certain that your kid is a 'late bloomer' and want to invest in him so he becomes a spuerstar when he is 20. Its possible, and there lots of examples like that - "pavol datsuk" is the one I like
- then dont worry about the team at all. Let him play whenever, train and hope for the best (and plan to fund it for another 6 years) - but be prepared for the outcome of echl training camp and then a stint in the second french division, where the pay is a bowl of soup and a very nice baget.

But in any case, stop complaining about top 3 orgs and the coaching. All three are different and good and have different objectives:
1) VK needs to win, to have as many players at draft as possible so his resume is built up and he can move up in the world
2) JRC needs to have players who are paying the fees at his school and winning is very important but comes second after that objectives
3) TM just needs to be in top 3 to keep reputation

You figured it out here…lol. Cookie cutter and you figured out the recipe. The kid playing on VK has aspirations to play in the show and the kid playing on the Reps is a future beer leaguer aspriration. I’ll bet on 99% of this 2011 age group in this chat will be in the beer league by the time they’re 22. Stats don’t lie. Enjoy the ride it’s almost over. Let the kids have fun.

True enough. There will be a very very small percentage that play beyond 22 years of age. Another small percentage will play competitively after U16. It’s about prioritizing life and career ambitions. Some will stretch it out as long as they can, some will understand that hockey is not going to pay the bills for them so getting ahead in the real world might be a better option. There is no wrong answer and each kid/family has the right to do their own thing. For the majority, competitive hockey is over after U16. Enjoy the ride and support all the kids. It goes by too fast!

Too many delusional parents ruin it for everybody else. Kids are usually fine after games with coaches decisions and parents ruin their heads in car rides and home time conversations with other delusional parents. Kids then enter rinks with the same toxic attitudes from their parents. It happens at every age and every level. We forget it’s a game and these kids are lucky enough to be playing at the highest level. No one likes to see their child upset and we need to realize parents are the main reason for ruining the greatest game on earth they have the privilege to play. If 99% don’t make a living out of this game why do parents contribute to creating a toxic environment in a game we all love?

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 10:37 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 9:53 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 7:49 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2025 10:18 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2025 9:49 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2025 9:01 pmWhat a comeback by VK

What happened?

VK sat the irrelevants

I bet those kids are feeling great about themselves today. Atleast CS got his "mean nothing" season trophy.

Minro hockey is all about the plastic achievements.
CS quit his city snow blowing job to take on a full time hockey role.
He’s living his best life, like Barbie.
I'm a Barbie girl, in the Barbie world
Life in plastic, it's fantastic.

CS is not a coach, hes a recruiter. Recruiters don’t develop, they’re mercenaries and are hired to win at all costs! Don’t blame him for executing his job to perfection, blame yourself for believing his sales pitch.

You’ve made a mistake, so what? Move on and get your kid developed by improving his confidence, skills, enjoyment etc.
don’t blame CS for his shortcomings, as his zero F’s attitude, it’s what you signed up for. The plastic, it’s fantastic.

Look at the entire staff:

CS is like a famous small man just yelling at his strongest to go get them.
CP another character, no correction, just his stupid note pad probably playing hang man on it. His coaching is just moving the big guns to the front of the door.
D coach, just tells them move the puck ahead no thinking, no action.

You signed up for it, all of it. The plastic, the swag, the water cooler talk, the agents, for what??? For your child to sit on the bench and watch his teammates go past him shift after shift.
CS is not at fault, you are dad! You’re a fault for giving your kid the opportunity to benefit from a proper situation.

VK are a machine that runs on 11 10 88 19 and the future 87..
the rest of you are just there to feed the beast !

Future 87?

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 11:43 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 11:17 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 11:02 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 10:36 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 9:54 am What level of sport has anyone on this chat ever played that doesn’t play the best players in the most important times. That is sports, from tyke to the nhl. I am not agreeing with it but it is the reality. Coaches want to win all of them. Parents have to develop kids full stop.

At this point, finishing U14 AAA and transitioning to U15 AAA you need ask yourself a question - Why is my kid still playing? There are a few answers
1) He wants to have fun, and after U16 its beerleagues
- then move to the midpack team where you will win some games, have like minded friends and win some mid-pack tourneys to remember (may be even some summer Canlan AA trouney - but who cares, for memories a medal is medal). The main point is - stop being obsessed about coaches, playing time, stats etc. And statistically, that's where most will end ...
2) He wants to play OHL and then have an shot at NHL draft or NCAA. Then you can honeslty answer yourself what makes a player making a draft. Being on a top team, able to win at critical times, score at critical games (not when you run-time someone in the middle of 2nd) contributes a lot to that. U16 Gthl has 2 stud teams - DMF and TT and 3 runners ups (JRC, VK and TM) in comparison to U14 (with 2 stud teams and 1 runner up) - AND these two top teams have 1/3 of the first two rounds of draft (20 players) and the 3 runners up have another third (another 20 players).
It is very likely (based on both stats, team composition, future selections and where the kids from other teams are right now) that the current U14 top teams will take the 50% of the draft in two years. For sure, a kid from Elgin may go under #1 and a kid from COW may go under #3, but its the numbers game in the end....
- So if you want to be there - get on a top team and try to fight for every second of ice you can get, and if you are not big enough, compensate with skill, grit and iq. Yes, you have to be liked by coach as well. So if you dont get that kind of treatment - consider your options - time is ticking.
3) You are certain that your kid is a 'late bloomer' and want to invest in him so he becomes a spuerstar when he is 20. Its possible, and there lots of examples like that - "pavol datsuk" is the one I like
- then dont worry about the team at all. Let him play whenever, train and hope for the best (and plan to fund it for another 6 years) - but be prepared for the outcome of echl training camp and then a stint in the second french division, where the pay is a bowl of soup and a very nice baget.

But in any case, stop complaining about top 3 orgs and the coaching. All three are different and good and have different objectives:
1) VK needs to win, to have as many players at draft as possible so his resume is built up and he can move up in the world
2) JRC needs to have players who are paying the fees at his school and winning is very important but comes second after that objectives
3) TM just needs to be in top 3 to keep reputation

You figured it out here…lol. Cookie cutter and you figured out the recipe. The kid playing on VK has aspirations to play in the show and the kid playing on the Reps is a future beer leaguer aspriration. I’ll bet on 99% of this 2011 age group in this chat will be in the beer league by the time they’re 22. Stats don’t lie. Enjoy the ride it’s almost over. Let the kids have fun.

True enough. There will be a very very small percentage that play beyond 22 years of age. Another small percentage will play competitively after U16. It’s about prioritizing life and career ambitions. Some will stretch it out as long as they can, some will understand that hockey is not going to pay the bills for them so getting ahead in the real world might be a better option. There is no wrong answer and each kid/family has the right to do their own thing. For the majority, competitive hockey is over after U16. Enjoy the ride and support all the kids. It goes by too fast!

Too many delusional parents ruin it for everybody else. Kids are usually fine after games with coaches decisions and parents ruin their heads in car rides and home time conversations with other delusional parents. Kids then enter rinks with the same toxic attitudes from their parents. It happens at every age and every level. We forget it’s a game and these kids are lucky enough to be playing at the highest level. No one likes to see their child upset and we need to realize parents are the main reason for ruining the greatest game on earth they have the privilege to play. If 99% don’t make a living out of this game why do parents contribute to creating a toxic environment in a game we all love?

This thread blows. What the f#$%$ are you guys talking about?

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 11:02 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 10:36 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 9:54 am What level of sport has anyone on this chat ever played that doesn’t play the best players in the most important times. That is sports, from tyke to the nhl. I am not agreeing with it but it is the reality. Coaches want to win all of them. Parents have to develop kids full stop.

At this point, finishing U14 AAA and transitioning to U15 AAA you need ask yourself a question - Why is my kid still playing? There are a few answers
1) He wants to have fun, and after U16 its beerleagues
- then move to the midpack team where you will win some games, have like minded friends and win some mid-pack tourneys to remember (may be even some summer Canlan AA trouney - but who cares, for memories a medal is medal). The main point is - stop being obsessed about coaches, playing time, stats etc. And statistically, that's where most will end ...
2) He wants to play OHL and then have an shot at NHL draft or NCAA. Then you can honeslty answer yourself what makes a player making a draft. Being on a top team, able to win at critical times, score at critical games (not when you run-time someone in the middle of 2nd) contributes a lot to that. U16 Gthl has 2 stud teams - DMF and TT and 3 runners ups (JRC, VK and TM) in comparison to U14 (with 2 stud teams and 1 runner up) - AND these two top teams have 1/3 of the first two rounds of draft (20 players) and the 3 runners up have another third (another 20 players).
It is very likely (based on both stats, team composition, future selections and where the kids from other teams are right now) that the current U14 top teams will take the 50% of the draft in two years. For sure, a kid from Elgin may go under #1 and a kid from COW may go under #3, but its the numbers game in the end....
- So if you want to be there - get on a top team and try to fight for every second of ice you can get, and if you are not big enough, compensate with skill, grit and iq. Yes, you have to be liked by coach as well. So if you dont get that kind of treatment - consider your options - time is ticking.
3) You are certain that your kid is a 'late bloomer' and want to invest in him so he becomes a spuerstar when he is 20. Its possible, and there lots of examples like that - "pavol datsuk" is the one I like
- then dont worry about the team at all. Let him play whenever, train and hope for the best (and plan to fund it for another 6 years) - but be prepared for the outcome of echl training camp and then a stint in the second french division, where the pay is a bowl of soup and a very nice baget.

But in any case, stop complaining about top 3 orgs and the coaching. All three are different and good and have different objectives:
1) VK needs to win, to have as many players at draft as possible so his resume is built up and he can move up in the world
2) JRC needs to have players who are paying the fees at his school and winning is very important but comes second after that objectives
3) TM just needs to be in top 3 to keep reputation

You figured it out here…lol. Cookie cutter and you figured out the recipe. The kid playing on VK has aspirations to play in the show and the kid playing on the Reps is a future beer leaguer aspriration. I’ll bet on 99% of this 2011 age group in this chat will be in the beer league by the time they’re 22. Stats don’t lie. Enjoy the ride it’s almost over. Let the kids have fun.

Love this....and for the record (For the Stats don't lie" guy) below is a link to the largest study over 20 years on "who makes the NHL"

Here is the conclusion if you don't want to read the whole thing-

Conclusion: This unique 20-year analysis shows that junior success in male ice hockey is positively related to early maturation, while adult success is inversely related to advanced maturation. Ice hockey organisations should implement maturation assessments to optimise the development of both late- and early-matured players.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38194055/

Now I suppose you could refute this based on your personal opinion....but that is just an opinion and really amounts to zero1

So looks like VK and JRC are in for some great Junior success, then its off to the beer leagues.

The real bets are being placed for the adult professional success with the late maturation kids. Thanks for helping our boys get to the show BIG BOYS!

In contrast, more late-maturing players (40%) achieved adult success than early-maturing players (25%), and NHL players had significantly later maturation [%AH: - 0.48 (- 0.80, - 0.16)] than non-NHL players.

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 1:26 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 11:43 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 11:17 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 11:02 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 10:36 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 9:54 am What level of sport has anyone on this chat ever played that doesn’t play the best players in the most important times. That is sports, from tyke to the nhl. I am not agreeing with it but it is the reality. Coaches want to win all of them. Parents have to develop kids full stop.

At this point, finishing U14 AAA and transitioning to U15 AAA you need ask yourself a question - Why is my kid still playing? There are a few answers
1) He wants to have fun, and after U16 its beerleagues
- then move to the midpack team where you will win some games, have like minded friends and win some mid-pack tourneys to remember (may be even some summer Canlan AA trouney - but who cares, for memories a medal is medal). The main point is - stop being obsessed about coaches, playing time, stats etc. And statistically, that's where most will end ...
2) He wants to play OHL and then have an shot at NHL draft or NCAA. Then you can honeslty answer yourself what makes a player making a draft. Being on a top team, able to win at critical times, score at critical games (not when you run-time someone in the middle of 2nd) contributes a lot to that. U16 Gthl has 2 stud teams - DMF and TT and 3 runners ups (JRC, VK and TM) in comparison to U14 (with 2 stud teams and 1 runner up) - AND these two top teams have 1/3 of the first two rounds of draft (20 players) and the 3 runners up have another third (another 20 players).
It is very likely (based on both stats, team composition, future selections and where the kids from other teams are right now) that the current U14 top teams will take the 50% of the draft in two years. For sure, a kid from Elgin may go under #1 and a kid from COW may go under #3, but its the numbers game in the end....
- So if you want to be there - get on a top team and try to fight for every second of ice you can get, and if you are not big enough, compensate with skill, grit and iq. Yes, you have to be liked by coach as well. So if you dont get that kind of treatment - consider your options - time is ticking.
3) You are certain that your kid is a 'late bloomer' and want to invest in him so he becomes a spuerstar when he is 20. Its possible, and there lots of examples like that - "pavol datsuk" is the one I like
- then dont worry about the team at all. Let him play whenever, train and hope for the best (and plan to fund it for another 6 years) - but be prepared for the outcome of echl training camp and then a stint in the second french division, where the pay is a bowl of soup and a very nice baget.

But in any case, stop complaining about top 3 orgs and the coaching. All three are different and good and have different objectives:
1) VK needs to win, to have as many players at draft as possible so his resume is built up and he can move up in the world
2) JRC needs to have players who are paying the fees at his school and winning is very important but comes second after that objectives
3) TM just needs to be in top 3 to keep reputation

You figured it out here…lol. Cookie cutter and you figured out the recipe. The kid playing on VK has aspirations to play in the show and the kid playing on the Reps is a future beer leaguer aspriration. I’ll bet on 99% of this 2011 age group in this chat will be in the beer league by the time they’re 22. Stats don’t lie. Enjoy the ride it’s almost over. Let the kids have fun.

True enough. There will be a very very small percentage that play beyond 22 years of age. Another small percentage will play competitively after U16. It’s about prioritizing life and career ambitions. Some will stretch it out as long as they can, some will understand that hockey is not going to pay the bills for them so getting ahead in the real world might be a better option. There is no wrong answer and each kid/family has the right to do their own thing. For the majority, competitive hockey is over after U16. Enjoy the ride and support all the kids. It goes by too fast!

Too many delusional parents ruin it for everybody else. Kids are usually fine after games with coaches decisions and parents ruin their heads in car rides and home time conversations with other delusional parents. Kids then enter rinks with the same toxic attitudes from their parents. It happens at every age and every level. We forget it’s a game and these kids are lucky enough to be playing at the highest level. No one likes to see their child upset and we need to realize parents are the main reason for ruining the greatest game on earth they have the privilege to play. If 99% don’t make a living out of this game why do parents contribute to creating a toxic environment in a game we all love?

This thread blows. What the f#$%$ are you guys talking about?

Your wife blows to keep your kid relevant!

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 1:37 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 11:02 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 10:36 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 9:54 am What level of sport has anyone on this chat ever played that doesn’t play the best players in the most important times. That is sports, from tyke to the nhl. I am not agreeing with it but it is the reality. Coaches want to win all of them. Parents have to develop kids full stop.

At this point, finishing U14 AAA and transitioning to U15 AAA you need ask yourself a question - Why is my kid still playing? There are a few answers
1) He wants to have fun, and after U16 its beerleagues
- then move to the midpack team where you will win some games, have like minded friends and win some mid-pack tourneys to remember (may be even some summer Canlan AA trouney - but who cares, for memories a medal is medal). The main point is - stop being obsessed about coaches, playing time, stats etc. And statistically, that's where most will end ...
2) He wants to play OHL and then have an shot at NHL draft or NCAA. Then you can honeslty answer yourself what makes a player making a draft. Being on a top team, able to win at critical times, score at critical games (not when you run-time someone in the middle of 2nd) contributes a lot to that. U16 Gthl has 2 stud teams - DMF and TT and 3 runners ups (JRC, VK and TM) in comparison to U14 (with 2 stud teams and 1 runner up) - AND these two top teams have 1/3 of the first two rounds of draft (20 players) and the 3 runners up have another third (another 20 players).
It is very likely (based on both stats, team composition, future selections and where the kids from other teams are right now) that the current U14 top teams will take the 50% of the draft in two years. For sure, a kid from Elgin may go under #1 and a kid from COW may go under #3, but its the numbers game in the end....
- So if you want to be there - get on a top team and try to fight for every second of ice you can get, and if you are not big enough, compensate with skill, grit and iq. Yes, you have to be liked by coach as well. So if you dont get that kind of treatment - consider your options - time is ticking.
3) You are certain that your kid is a 'late bloomer' and want to invest in him so he becomes a spuerstar when he is 20. Its possible, and there lots of examples like that - "pavol datsuk" is the one I like
- then dont worry about the team at all. Let him play whenever, train and hope for the best (and plan to fund it for another 6 years) - but be prepared for the outcome of echl training camp and then a stint in the second french division, where the pay is a bowl of soup and a very nice baget.

But in any case, stop complaining about top 3 orgs and the coaching. All three are different and good and have different objectives:
1) VK needs to win, to have as many players at draft as possible so his resume is built up and he can move up in the world
2) JRC needs to have players who are paying the fees at his school and winning is very important but comes second after that objectives
3) TM just needs to be in top 3 to keep reputation

You figured it out here…lol. Cookie cutter and you figured out the recipe. The kid playing on VK has aspirations to play in the show and the kid playing on the Reps is a future beer leaguer aspriration. I’ll bet on 99% of this 2011 age group in this chat will be in the beer league by the time they’re 22. Stats don’t lie. Enjoy the ride it’s almost over. Let the kids have fun.

Love this....and for the record (For the Stats don't lie" guy) below is a link to the largest study over 20 years on "who makes the NHL"

Here is the conclusion if you don't want to read the whole thing-

Conclusion: This unique 20-year analysis shows that junior success in male ice hockey is positively related to early maturation, while adult success is inversely related to advanced maturation. Ice hockey organisations should implement maturation assessments to optimise the development of both late- and early-matured players.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38194055/

Now I suppose you could refute this based on your personal opinion....but that is just an opinion and really amounts to zero1

So looks like VK and JRC are in for some great Junior success, then its off to the beer leagues.

The real bets are being placed for the adult professional success with the late maturation kids. Thanks for helping our boys get to the show BIG BOYS!

In contrast, more late-maturing players (40%) achieved adult success than early-maturing players (25%), and NHL players had significantly later maturation [%AH: - 0.48 (- 0.80, - 0.16)] than non-NHL players.

Parents are crazies. Minor Hockey has become a racket and parents feed the beast.

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 11:43 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 11:17 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 11:02 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 10:36 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 9:54 am What level of sport has anyone on this chat ever played that doesn’t play the best players in the most important times. That is sports, from tyke to the nhl. I am not agreeing with it but it is the reality. Coaches want to win all of them. Parents have to develop kids full stop.

At this point, finishing U14 AAA and transitioning to U15 AAA you need ask yourself a question - Why is my kid still playing? There are a few answers
1) He wants to have fun, and after U16 its beerleagues
- then move to the midpack team where you will win some games, have like minded friends and win some mid-pack tourneys to remember (may be even some summer Canlan AA trouney - but who cares, for memories a medal is medal). The main point is - stop being obsessed about coaches, playing time, stats etc. And statistically, that's where most will end ...
2) He wants to play OHL and then have an shot at NHL draft or NCAA. Then you can honeslty answer yourself what makes a player making a draft. Being on a top team, able to win at critical times, score at critical games (not when you run-time someone in the middle of 2nd) contributes a lot to that. U16 Gthl has 2 stud teams - DMF and TT and 3 runners ups (JRC, VK and TM) in comparison to U14 (with 2 stud teams and 1 runner up) - AND these two top teams have 1/3 of the first two rounds of draft (20 players) and the 3 runners up have another third (another 20 players).
It is very likely (based on both stats, team composition, future selections and where the kids from other teams are right now) that the current U14 top teams will take the 50% of the draft in two years. For sure, a kid from Elgin may go under #1 and a kid from COW may go under #3, but its the numbers game in the end....
- So if you want to be there - get on a top team and try to fight for every second of ice you can get, and if you are not big enough, compensate with skill, grit and iq. Yes, you have to be liked by coach as well. So if you dont get that kind of treatment - consider your options - time is ticking.
3) You are certain that your kid is a 'late bloomer' and want to invest in him so he becomes a spuerstar when he is 20. Its possible, and there lots of examples like that - "pavol datsuk" is the one I like
- then dont worry about the team at all. Let him play whenever, train and hope for the best (and plan to fund it for another 6 years) - but be prepared for the outcome of echl training camp and then a stint in the second french division, where the pay is a bowl of soup and a very nice baget.

But in any case, stop complaining about top 3 orgs and the coaching. All three are different and good and have different objectives:
1) VK needs to win, to have as many players at draft as possible so his resume is built up and he can move up in the world
2) JRC needs to have players who are paying the fees at his school and winning is very important but comes second after that objectives
3) TM just needs to be in top 3 to keep reputation

You figured it out here…lol. Cookie cutter and you figured out the recipe. The kid playing on VK has aspirations to play in the show and the kid playing on the Reps is a future beer leaguer aspriration. I’ll bet on 99% of this 2011 age group in this chat will be in the beer league by the time they’re 22. Stats don’t lie. Enjoy the ride it’s almost over. Let the kids have fun.

True enough. There will be a very very small percentage that play beyond 22 years of age. Another small percentage will play competitively after U16. It’s about prioritizing life and career ambitions. Some will stretch it out as long as they can, some will understand that hockey is not going to pay the bills for them so getting ahead in the real world might be a better option. There is no wrong answer and each kid/family has the right to do their own thing. For the majority, competitive hockey is over after U16. Enjoy the ride and support all the kids. It goes by too fast!

Too many delusional parents ruin it for everybody else. Kids are usually fine after games with coaches decisions and parents ruin their heads in car rides and home time conversations with other delusional parents. Kids then enter rinks with the same toxic attitudes from their parents. It happens at every age and every level. We forget it’s a game and these kids are lucky enough to be playing at the highest level. No one likes to see their child upset and we need to realize parents are the main reason for ruining the greatest game on earth they have the privilege to play. If 99% don’t make a living out of this game why do parents contribute to creating a toxic environment in a game we all love?

That is super easy to figure it out....the toxic environment is from the creation of an UNFAIR SYSTEM that rewards early maturation and corruption (kick backs). Most importantly, and this is the hardest part for coaches to understand...at this stage of Growth and Development (Learn to Train - LTAD)...THE COACHES DON"T KNOW WHICH KIDS ARE TALENTED YET! They are just seeing early maturation, and playing the men so they can WIN!

All the studies show this, yet ALL THE COACHES (99% uneducated) think they have it all figured out with Talent Identification. So the answer is simple...just make it fair for everyone to succeed at this stage of development! And the question back to you is ----Why is this so hard to understand? Is it culture? Is it ego? Is it lack of education? Is it money, and they don't care? All of them?

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Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 9:54 am What level of sport has anyone on this chat ever played that doesn’t play the best players in the most important times. That is sports, from tyke to the nhl. I am not agreeing with it but it is the reality. Coaches want to win all of them. Parents have to develop kids full stop.

At this point, finishing U14 AAA and transitioning to U15 AAA you need ask yourself a question - Why is my kid still playing? There are a few answers
1) He wants to have fun, and after U16 its beerleagues
- then move to the midpack team where you will win some games, have like minded friends and win some mid-pack tourneys to remember (may be even some summer Canlan AA trouney - but who cares, for memories a medal is medal). The main point is - stop being obsessed about coaches, playing time, stats etc. And statistically, that's where most will end ...
2) He wants to play OHL and then have an shot at NHL draft or NCAA. Then you can honeslty answer yourself what makes a player making a draft. Being on a top team, able to win at critical times, score at critical games (not when you run-time someone in the middle of 2nd) contributes a lot to that. U16 Gthl has 2 stud teams - DMF and TT and 3 runners ups (JRC, VK and TM) in comparison to U14 (with 2 stud teams and 1 runner up) - AND these two top teams have 1/3 of the first two rounds of draft (20 players) and the 3 runners up have another third (another 20 players).
It is very likely (based on both stats, team composition, future selections and where the kids from other teams are right now) that the current U14 top teams will take the 50% of the draft in two years. For sure, a kid from Elgin may go under #1 and a kid from COW may go under #3, but its the numbers game in the end....
- So if you want to be there - get on a top team and try to fight for every second of ice you can get, and if you are not big enough, compensate with skill, grit and iq. Yes, you have to be liked by coach as well. So if you dont get that kind of treatment - consider your options - time is ticking.
3) You are certain that your kid is a 'late bloomer' and want to invest in him so he becomes a spuerstar when he is 20. Its possible, and there lots of examples like that - "pavol datsuk" is the one I like
- then dont worry about the team at all. Let him play whenever, train and hope for the best (and plan to fund it for another 6 years) - but be prepared for the outcome of echl training camp and then a stint in the second french division, where the pay is a bowl of soup and a very nice baget.

But in any case, stop complaining about top 3 orgs and the coaching. All three are different and good and have different objectives:
1) VK needs to win, to have as many players at draft as possible so his resume is built up and he can move up in the world
2) JRC needs to have players who are paying the fees at his school and winning is very important but comes second after that objectives
3) TM just needs to be in top 3 to keep reputation

You figured it out here…lol. Cookie cutter and you figured out the recipe. The kid playing on VK has aspirations to play in the show and the kid playing on the Reps is a future beer leaguer aspriration. I’ll bet on 99% of this 2011 age group in this chat will be in the beer league by the time they’re 22. Stats don’t lie. Enjoy the ride it’s almost over. Let the kids have fun.

True enough. There will be a very very small percentage that play beyond 22 years of age. Another small percentage will play competitively after U16. It’s about prioritizing life and career ambitions. Some will stretch it out as long as they can, some will understand that hockey is not going to pay the bills for them so getting ahead in the real world might be a better option. There is no wrong answer and each kid/family has the right to do their own thing. For the majority, competitive hockey is over after U16. Enjoy the ride and support all the kids. It goes by too fast!

Too many delusional parents ruin it for everybody else. Kids are usually fine after games with coaches decisions and parents ruin their heads in car rides and home time conversations with other delusional parents. Kids then enter rinks with the same toxic attitudes from their parents. It happens at every age and every level. We forget it’s a game and these kids are lucky enough to be playing at the highest level. No one likes to see their child upset and we need to realize parents are the main reason for ruining the greatest game on earth they have the privilege to play. If 99% don’t make a living out of this game why do parents contribute to creating a toxic environment in a game we all love?

That is super easy to figure it out....the toxic environment is from the creation of an UNFAIR SYSTEM that rewards early maturation and corruption (kick backs). Most importantly, and this is the hardest part for coaches to understand...at this stage of Growth and Development (Learn to Train - LTAD)...THE COACHES DON"T KNOW WHICH KIDS ARE TALENTED YET! They are just seeing early maturation, and playing the men so they can WIN!

All the studies show this, yet ALL THE COACHES (99% uneducated) think they have it all figured out with Talent Identification. So the answer is simple...just make it fair for everyone to succeed at this stage of development! And the question back to you is ----Why is this so hard to understand? Is it culture? Is it ego? Is it lack of education? Is it money, and they don't care? All of them?

Is it ironic that the 3 kids shorter then CS on VK, do not get to play?

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What level of sport has anyone on this chat ever played that doesn’t play the best players in the most important times. That is sports, from tyke to the nhl. I am not agreeing with it but it is the reality. Coaches want to win all of them. Parents have to develop kids full stop.
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At this point, finishing U14 AAA and transitioning to U15 AAA you need ask yourself a question - Why is my kid still playing? There are a few answers
1) He wants to have fun, and after U16 its beerleagues
- then move to the midpack team where you will win some games, have like minded friends and win some mid-pack tourneys to remember (may be even some summer Canlan AA trouney - but who cares, for memories a medal is medal). The main point is - stop being obsessed about coaches, playing time, stats etc. And statistically, that's where most will end ...
2) He wants to play OHL and then have an shot at NHL draft or NCAA. Then you can honeslty answer yourself what makes a player making a draft. Being on a top team, able to win at critical times, score at critical games (not when you run-time someone in the middle of 2nd) contributes a lot to that. U16 Gthl has 2 stud teams - DMF and TT and 3 runners ups (JRC, VK and TM) in comparison to U14 (with 2 stud teams and 1 runner up) - AND these two top teams have 1/3 of the first two rounds of draft (20 players) and the 3 runners up have another third (another 20 players).
It is very likely (based on both stats, team composition, future selections and where the kids from other teams are right now) that the current U14 top teams will take the 50% of the draft in two years. For sure, a kid from Elgin may go under #1 and a kid from COW may go under #3, but its the numbers game in the end....
- So if you want to be there - get on a top team and try to fight for every second of ice you can get, and if you are not big enough, compensate with skill, grit and iq. Yes, you have to be liked by coach as well. So if you dont get that kind of treatment - consider your options - time is ticking.
3) You are certain that your kid is a 'late bloomer' and want to invest in him so he becomes a spuerstar when he is 20. Its possible, and there lots of examples like that - "pavol datsuk" is the one I like
- then dont worry about the team at all. Let him play whenever, train and hope for the best (and plan to fund it for another 6 years) - but be prepared for the outcome of echl training camp and then a stint in the second french division, where the pay is a bowl of soup and a very nice baget.

But in any case, stop complaining about top 3 orgs and the coaching. All three are different and good and have different objectives:
1) VK needs to win, to have as many players at draft as possible so his resume is built up and he can move up in the world
2) JRC needs to have players who are paying the fees at his school and winning is very important but comes second after that objectives
3) TM just needs to be in top 3 to keep reputation
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You figured it out here…lol. Cookie cutter and you figured out the recipe. The kid playing on VK has aspirations to play in the show and the kid playing on the Reps is a future beer leaguer aspriration. I’ll bet on 99% of this 2011 age group in this chat will be in the beer league by the time they’re 22. Stats don’t lie. Enjoy the ride it’s almost over. Let the kids have fun.
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True enough. There will be a very very small percentage that play beyond 22 years of age. Another small percentage will play competitively after U16. It’s about prioritizing life and career ambitions. Some will stretch it out as long as they can, some will understand that hockey is not going to pay the bills for them so getting ahead in the real world might be a better option. There is no wrong answer and each kid/family has the right to do their own thing. For the majority, competitive hockey is over after U16. Enjoy the ride and support all the kids. It goes by too fast!
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Too many delusional parents ruin it for everybody else. Kids are usually fine after games with coaches decisions and parents ruin their heads in car rides and home time conversations with other delusional parents. Kids then enter rinks with the same toxic attitudes from their parents. It happens at every age and every level. We forget it’s a game and these kids are lucky enough to be playing at the highest level. No one likes to see their child upset and we need to realize parents are the main reason for ruining the greatest game on earth they have the privilege to play. If 99% don’t make a living out of this game why do parents contribute to creating a toxic environment in a game we all love?
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That is super easy to figure it out....the toxic environment is from the creation of an UNFAIR SYSTEM that rewards early maturation and corruption (kick backs). Most importantly, and this is the hardest part for coaches to understand...at this stage of Growth and Development (Learn to Train - LTAD)...THE COACHES DON"T KNOW WHICH KIDS ARE TALENTED YET! They are just seeing early maturation, and playing the men so they can WIN!

All the studies show this, yet ALL THE COACHES (99% uneducated) think they have it all figured out with Talent Identification. So the answer is simple...just make it fair for everyone to succeed at this stage of development! And the question back to you is ----Why is this so hard to understand? Is it culture? Is it ego? Is it lack of education? Is it money, and they don't care? All of them?
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All above true, however in a perfect situation parents would find other things to complain about. No one’s ever happy it’s imbedded in humanity. Unfortunately your comments are of one of a sprinter v a marathon runner. It’s up to you to keep your child happy and motivated until Mother Nature lets them catch up physically. Life isn’t always fair. Contributing to a uphill battle that you have no control over at the rink, you do have a choice once you leave to control the environment outside of the rink is on you mom and dad.