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Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 9:49 pm Do we look at defensive defensemen anymore? Is plus/minus a stat? Many players make a living because they can make a 1st pass. These guys can’t/dont/wont, and cause more turnovers than points. Watch the JRC 4-3 game. Check the plus/minus when you’re done.

I totally agree, while VK’s d might be offensively spirited, they definitely are the absolute worse defensively. VK doesn’t win game because of their Dman, they lose because of them. VK’s liability is their Dmen and can be exploited.

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Didn't do much when we played them. Both were pulled off the PP. And I believe they were both -4

Could have been worse if the other D were on the ice and just because they were pulled off it doesn’t mean they’re not VK’s top D pairing. They have no other choice but to play them. They will run them all playoff long.

Do we look at defensive defensemen anymore? Is plus/minus a stat? Many players make a living because they can make a 1st pass. These guys can’t/dont/wont, and cause more turnovers than points. Watch the JRC 4-3 game. Check the plus/minus when you’re done.

I totally agree, while VK’s d might be offensively spirited, they definitely are the absolute worse defensively. VK doesn’t win game because of their Dman, they lose because of them. VK’s liability is their Dmen and can be exploited.

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Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 8:27 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 7:53 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 7:49 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 7:48 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 7:40 pm

Could have been worse if the other D were on the ice and just because they were pulled off it doesn’t mean they’re not VK’s top D pairing. They have no other choice but to play them. They will run them all playoff long.

Do we look at defensive defensemen anymore? Is plus/minus a stat? Many players make a living because they can make a 1st pass. These guys can’t/dont/wont, and cause more turnovers than points. Watch the JRC 4-3 game. Check the plus/minus when you’re done.

I totally agree, while VK’s d might be offensively spirited, they definitely are the absolute worse defensively. VK doesn’t win game because of their Dman, they lose because of them. VK’s liability is their Dmen and can be exploited.

What are people talking about?? If you have access to the stats you will see that VK 2 leads the league in +/-'s on the positive side. Closest guy is 36 behind. Leads the league! I'm not a fan of how this kid plays but unlike you, the stats don't lie.

No one makes a better 1st pass than him.

Game vs JRC he was even in a 7 goal game. First assist on VK's 2nd goal and scored the 3rd that tied the game. on for 3 for and 3 against.

Guest wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 9:32 am

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 8:27 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 7:53 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 7:49 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 7:48 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 7:40 pm

Could have been worse if the other D were on the ice and just because they were pulled off it doesn’t mean they’re not VK’s top D pairing. They have no other choice but to play them. They will run them all playoff long.

Do we look at defensive defensemen anymore? Is plus/minus a stat? Many players make a living because they can make a 1st pass. These guys can’t/dont/wont, and cause more turnovers than points. Watch the JRC 4-3 game. Check the plus/minus when you’re done.

I totally agree, while VK’s d might be offensively spirited, they definitely are the absolute worse defensively. VK doesn’t win game because of their Dman, they lose because of them. VK’s liability is their Dmen and can be exploited.

What are people talking about?? If you have access to the stats you will see that VK 2 leads the league in +/-'s on the positive side. Closest guy is 36 behind. Leads the league! I'm not a fan of how this kid plays but unlike you, the stats don't lie.

No one makes a better 1st pass than him.

Game vs JRC he was even in a 7 goal game. First assist on VK's 2nd goal and scored the 3rd that tied the game. on for 3 for and 3 against.

Guest wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 10:03 am

Guest wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 9:32 am

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 8:27 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 7:53 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 7:49 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 7:48 pm

Do we look at defensive defensemen anymore? Is plus/minus a stat? Many players make a living because they can make a 1st pass. These guys can’t/dont/wont, and cause more turnovers than points. Watch the JRC 4-3 game. Check the plus/minus when you’re done.

I totally agree, while VK’s d might be offensively spirited, they definitely are the absolute worse defensively. VK doesn’t win game because of their Dman, they lose because of them. VK’s liability is their Dmen and can be exploited.

What are people talking about?? If you have access to the stats you will see that VK 2 leads the league in +/-'s on the positive side. Closest guy is 36 behind. Leads the league! I'm not a fan of how this kid plays but unlike you, the stats don't lie.

No one makes a better 1st pass than him.

Game vs JRC he was even in a 7 goal game. First assist on VK's 2nd goal and scored the 3rd that tied the game. on for 3 for and 3 against.

But lost the game because of his style of play. Therefore I’m not a fan as well. An Even plus minus could also mean his defensive play needs work. A Dman with a plus 4 and zero goals in that JRC game could have meant a W for the TEAM!

Guest wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 10:03 am

Guest wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 9:32 am

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 8:27 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 7:53 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 7:49 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 7:48 pm

Do we look at defensive defensemen anymore? Is plus/minus a stat? Many players make a living because they can make a 1st pass. These guys can’t/dont/wont, and cause more turnovers than points. Watch the JRC 4-3 game. Check the plus/minus when you’re done.

I totally agree, while VK’s d might be offensively spirited, they definitely are the absolute worse defensively. VK doesn’t win game because of their Dman, they lose because of them. VK’s liability is their Dmen and can be exploited.

What are people talking about?? If you have access to the stats you will see that VK 2 leads the league in +/-'s on the positive side. Closest guy is 36 behind. Leads the league! I'm not a fan of how this kid plays but unlike you, the stats don't lie.

No one makes a better 1st pass than him.

Game vs JRC he was even in a 7 goal game. First assist on VK's 2nd goal and scored the 3rd that tied the game. on for 3 for and 3 against.

But lost the game because of his style of play. Therefore I’m not a fan as well. An Even plus minus could also mean his defensive play needs work. A Dman with a plus 4 and zero goals in that JRC game could have meant a W for the TEAM!

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Guest wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 8:19 am

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 9:49 pm Do we look at defensive defensemen anymore? Is plus/minus a stat? Many players make a living because they can make a 1st pass. These guys can’t/dont/wont, and cause more turnovers than points. Watch the JRC 4-3 game. Check the plus/minus when you’re done.

I totally agree, while VK’s d might be offensively spirited, they definitely are the absolute worse defensively. VK doesn’t win game because of their Dman, they lose because of them. VK’s liability is their Dmen and can be exploited.

I’ll agree with this. We beat them because their defense is terrible at actual defense. Offensively spirited and talented I also agree, but defensive liabilities. That team needs strong defensive d pairings to over compensate.

Guest wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 9:32 am

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 8:27 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 7:53 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 7:49 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 7:48 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 7:40 pm

Could have been worse if the other D were on the ice and just because they were pulled off it doesn’t mean they’re not VK’s top D pairing. They have no other choice but to play them. They will run them all playoff long.

Do we look at defensive defensemen anymore? Is plus/minus a stat? Many players make a living because they can make a 1st pass. These guys can’t/dont/wont, and cause more turnovers than points. Watch the JRC 4-3 game. Check the plus/minus when you’re done.

I totally agree, while VK’s d might be offensively spirited, they definitely are the absolute worse defensively. VK doesn’t win game because of their Dman, they lose because of them. VK’s liability is their Dmen and can be exploited.

What are people talking about?? If you have access to the stats you will see that VK 2 leads the league in +/-'s on the positive side. Closest guy is 36 behind. Leads the league! I'm not a fan of how this kid plays but unlike you, the stats don't lie.

I call bullshit. Post a screen shot. Didn’t think so.

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Guest wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 9:22 am

Guest wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 8:19 am

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 9:49 pm Do we look at defensive defensemen anymore? Is plus/minus a stat? Many players make a living because they can make a 1st pass. These guys can’t/dont/wont, and cause more turnovers than points. Watch the JRC 4-3 game. Check the plus/minus when you’re done.

I totally agree, while VK’s d might be offensively spirited, they definitely are the absolute worse defensively. VK doesn’t win game because of their Dman, they lose because of them. VK’s liability is their Dmen and can be exploited.

I’ll agree with this. We beat them because their defense is terrible at actual defense. Offensively spirited and talented I also agree, but defensive liabilities. That team needs strong defensive d pairings to over compensate.

So who’s the toughest Dman to play against in the league?

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Guest wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 10:20 am

Guest wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 9:22 am

Guest wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 8:19 am

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 9:49 pm Do we look at defensive defensemen anymore? Is plus/minus a stat? Many players make a living because they can make a 1st pass. These guys can’t/dont/wont, and cause more turnovers than points. Watch the JRC 4-3 game. Check the plus/minus when you’re done.

I totally agree, while VK’s d might be offensively spirited, they definitely are the absolute worse defensively. VK doesn’t win game because of their Dman, they lose because of them. VK’s liability is their Dmen and can be exploited.

I’ll agree with this. We beat them because their defense is terrible at actual defense. Offensively spirited and talented I also agree, but defensive liabilities. That team needs strong defensive d pairings to over compensate.

So who’s the toughest Dman to play against in the league?

Net front I would say MM66