This sounds to me like the WH coach is mad. Ignorance to the rules is not a defense. Everyone knows that every 5 minute major and game ejection carries a suspension. Brush up on your rule book toys.Guest wrote: ↑Tue Mar 04, 2025 4:44 pm What’s telling about the Scheming Ice Raiders drama is that the coaches have no faith the players could overturn the series on the ice. So they go back to the league claiming there’s no way the raiders could win the game with WH #13 on the ice. Except they lost the next game without him on the ice.
How the mighty have fallen. From a team that could walk on water, now going to the backroom for a second chance.
The league didn’t follow its own protocols on suspension documentation and notifications. So the Scheming Ice Raiders saw an opening to get try to wriggle back in a series they lost on the ice so far.
2010 GTHL A East
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The SIR coach is Muskoka buddies with Scott Oakman....that should tell you everything.Guest wrote: ↑Tue Mar 04, 2025 5:03 pmThis sounds to me like the WH coach is mad. Ignorance to the rules is not a defense. Everyone knows that every 5 minute major and game ejection carries a suspension. Brush up on your rule book toys.Guest wrote: ↑Tue Mar 04, 2025 4:44 pm What’s telling about the Scheming Ice Raiders drama is that the coaches have no faith the players could overturn the series on the ice. So they go back to the league claiming there’s no way the raiders could win the game with WH #13 on the ice. Except they lost the next game without him on the ice.
How the mighty have fallen. From a team that could walk on water, now going to the backroom for a second chance.
The league didn’t follow its own protocols on suspension documentation and notifications. So the Scheming Ice Raiders saw an opening to get try to wriggle back in a series they lost on the ice so far.
Re: 2010 GTHL A East
I wouldn’t want to be the ref at tonight’s SIR v WH re-do game. WH boys will be pissed a huge win was cancelled. SIR boys have to be worried playing with so many guys out and the risk of losing a third time to the 8 seed. Plus the coaches probably hate each other’s guts by now too. Tensions will be high!
Re: 2010 GTHL A East
Why are we not surprised by this. WH vs EVERYONE!Guest wrote: ↑Tue Mar 04, 2025 5:12 pmThe SIR coach is Muskoka buddies with Scott Oakman....that should tell you everything.Guest wrote: ↑Tue Mar 04, 2025 5:03 pmThis sounds to me like the WH coach is mad. Ignorance to the rules is not a defense. Everyone knows that every 5 minute major and game ejection carries a suspension. Brush up on your rule book toys.Guest wrote: ↑Tue Mar 04, 2025 4:44 pm What’s telling about the Scheming Ice Raiders drama is that the coaches have no faith the players could overturn the series on the ice. So they go back to the league claiming there’s no way the raiders could win the game with WH #13 on the ice. Except they lost the next game without him on the ice.
How the mighty have fallen. From a team that could walk on water, now going to the backroom for a second chance.
The league didn’t follow its own protocols on suspension documentation and notifications. So the Scheming Ice Raiders saw an opening to get try to wriggle back in a series they lost on the ice so far.
Re: 2010 GTHL A East
Guest wrote: ↑Tue Mar 04, 2025 5:21 pmWhy are we not surprised by this. WH vs EVERYONE!Guest wrote: ↑Tue Mar 04, 2025 5:12 pmThe SIR coach is Muskoka buddies with Scott Oakman....that should tell you everything.Guest wrote: ↑Tue Mar 04, 2025 5:03 pmThis sounds to me like the WH coach is mad. Ignorance to the rules is not a defense. Everyone knows that every 5 minute major and game ejection carries a suspension. Brush up on your rule book toys.Guest wrote: ↑Tue Mar 04, 2025 4:44 pm What’s telling about the Scheming Ice Raiders drama is that the coaches have no faith the players could overturn the series on the ice. So they go back to the league claiming there’s no way the raiders could win the game with WH #13 on the ice. Except they lost the next game without him on the ice.
How the mighty have fallen. From a team that could walk on water, now going to the backroom for a second chance.
The league didn’t follow its own protocols on suspension documentation and notifications. So the Scheming Ice Raiders saw an opening to get try to wriggle back in a series they lost on the ice so far.
WH vs their coaches F ups
Re: 2010 GTHL A East
I’m honestly just trying to figure out what happened here. I’m sorry, but what this person says above makes absolutely no sense. You’re telling me that the SIR coach told the WH coach before game 3 “hey man that kid is suspended and he can’t play” and then the WH coach said “I don’t think so, but I’ll take your word for it!” And then THEY agreed that the kid WON’T play game 3 as long as SIR doesn’t protest game 2, which is a game that the suspended player played in. Huh???? Sorry dude, that makes no sense! That’s not how rules work. The WH coach and SIR coach don’t get to decide this. So a couple things: (A) How did the SIR coach know that a WH player was suspended, but the WH coach didn’t even know this? (B) If SIR wanted the forfeit/win, they could’ve easily just reported it to the G after game 2. Why didn’t they report it to the GTHL to get the win? (C) What would’ve happened if the SIR coach didn’t even tell the WH coach at all? He should’ve just “held onto this information” for longer and let the suspended player play multiple games so that multiple games can be forfeit. (D) Seems like a wild situation for the GTHL to nullify the game and decide to replay it. Not sure I’ve ever seen such a thing!Guest wrote: ↑Tue Mar 04, 2025 4:11 pmThe GTHL made an error on game sheet #1 that indicated 1 player suspension versus 2. While WH unaware of any wrongdoing they played 1 of those kids in game 2. The scheming ice raiders took note of this. Then they held onto this info, confronted WH with it 20 mins before game 3, and said if they sat the kid in question for game 3 that they wouldn’t protest game 2. WH took their word for it and agreed to sit the player even though they were unsure if he was even suspended. They didn’t have enough time to check with league on protocols, so they took less risky route and sat kid Clearly schemers didn’t expect WH to win game 3.Guest wrote: ↑Tue Mar 04, 2025 3:23 pm Points still listed at 4-2, but if you click on the series game 2 is gone, showing 1 win a piece. Me thinks the drama is just starting!
So, as low life’s do, they reneged on their word, and protested WH win in game 2. Too afraid of the 8th place team I guess. Classless, spineless.
If it had been a clear fault by west hill, and rules were broken, the game would have easily been reversed and the Schemers would be up 4-2 right now, even though they lost game 2 on ice. But it’s not the case. GTHL muddied this too much that they are simply replaying game 2 tonight. Making it as if game 2 never happened. But screen shots live forever. As do reputations. The kids know the reality, the coaches know the truth, and everybody else probably will too.
Re: 2010 GTHL A East
That’s what I’m getting from this too. SIR coach is smarter than WH coach and knew kid was suspended. Or WH coach thought he could get away with it and didn’t. Either way this comes down to WH coach being a f*cking moron, but we always knew that right WH?Guest wrote: ↑Tue Mar 04, 2025 5:53 pmI’m honestly just trying to figure out what happened here. I’m sorry, but what this person says above makes absolutely no sense. You’re telling me that the SIR coach told the WH coach before game 3 “hey man that kid is suspended and he can’t play” and then the WH coach said “I don’t think so, but I’ll take your word for it!” And then THEY agreed that the kid WON’T play game 3 as long as SIR doesn’t protest game 2, which is a game that the suspended player played in. Huh???? Sorry dude, that makes no sense! That’s not how rules work. The WH coach and SIR coach don’t get to decide this. So a couple things: (A) How did the SIR coach know that a WH player was suspended, but the WH coach didn’t even know this? (B) If SIR wanted the forfeit/win, they could’ve easily just reported it to the G after game 2. Why didn’t they report it to the GTHL to get the win? (C) What would’ve happened if the SIR coach didn’t even tell the WH coach at all? He should’ve just “held onto this information” for longer and let the suspended player play multiple games so that multiple games can be forfeit. (D) Seems like a wild situation for the GTHL to nullify the game and decide to replay it. Not sure I’ve ever seen such a thing!Guest wrote: ↑Tue Mar 04, 2025 4:11 pmThe GTHL made an error on game sheet #1 that indicated 1 player suspension versus 2. While WH unaware of any wrongdoing they played 1 of those kids in game 2. The scheming ice raiders took note of this. Then they held onto this info, confronted WH with it 20 mins before game 3, and said if they sat the kid in question for game 3 that they wouldn’t protest game 2. WH took their word for it and agreed to sit the player even though they were unsure if he was even suspended. They didn’t have enough time to check with league on protocols, so they took less risky route and sat kid Clearly schemers didn’t expect WH to win game 3.Guest wrote: ↑Tue Mar 04, 2025 3:23 pm Points still listed at 4-2, but if you click on the series game 2 is gone, showing 1 win a piece. Me thinks the drama is just starting!
So, as low life’s do, they reneged on their word, and protested WH win in game 2. Too afraid of the 8th place team I guess. Classless, spineless.
If it had been a clear fault by west hill, and rules were broken, the game would have easily been reversed and the Schemers would be up 4-2 right now, even though they lost game 2 on ice. But it’s not the case. GTHL muddied this too much that they are simply replaying game 2 tonight. Making it as if game 2 never happened. But screen shots live forever. As do reputations. The kids know the reality, the coaches know the truth, and everybody else probably will too.
Re: 2010 GTHL A East
From what I know from working with the G, things are not perfect, mistakes happen, however they rarely accept responsibility. Its the standard response "you know the rules, not our problem" if something is missed. But please remember these refs and time keepers are young kids just trying to make a buck.Guest wrote: ↑Tue Mar 04, 2025 5:53 pmI’m honestly just trying to figure out what happened here. I’m sorry, but what this person says above makes absolutely no sense. You’re telling me that the SIR coach told the WH coach before game 3 “hey man that kid is suspended and he can’t play” and then the WH coach said “I don’t think so, but I’ll take your word for it!” And then THEY agreed that the kid WON’T play game 3 as long as SIR doesn’t protest game 2, which is a game that the suspended player played in. Huh???? Sorry dude, that makes no sense! That’s not how rules work. The WH coach and SIR coach don’t get to decide this. So a couple things: (A) How did the SIR coach know that a WH player was suspended, but the WH coach didn’t even know this? (B) If SIR wanted the forfeit/win, they could’ve easily just reported it to the G after game 2. Why didn’t they report it to the GTHL to get the win? (C) What would’ve happened if the SIR coach didn’t even tell the WH coach at all? He should’ve just “held onto this information” for longer and let the suspended player play multiple games so that multiple games can be forfeit. (D) Seems like a wild situation for the GTHL to nullify the game and decide to replay it. Not sure I’ve ever seen such a thing!Guest wrote: ↑Tue Mar 04, 2025 4:11 pmThe GTHL made an error on game sheet #1 that indicated 1 player suspension versus 2. While WH unaware of any wrongdoing they played 1 of those kids in game 2. The scheming ice raiders took note of this. Then they held onto this info, confronted WH with it 20 mins before game 3, and said if they sat the kid in question for game 3 that they wouldn’t protest game 2. WH took their word for it and agreed to sit the player even though they were unsure if he was even suspended. They didn’t have enough time to check with league on protocols, so they took less risky route and sat kid Clearly schemers didn’t expect WH to win game 3.Guest wrote: ↑Tue Mar 04, 2025 3:23 pm Points still listed at 4-2, but if you click on the series game 2 is gone, showing 1 win a piece. Me thinks the drama is just starting!
So, as low life’s do, they reneged on their word, and protested WH win in game 2. Too afraid of the 8th place team I guess. Classless, spineless.
If it had been a clear fault by west hill, and rules were broken, the game would have easily been reversed and the Schemers would be up 4-2 right now, even though they lost game 2 on ice. But it’s not the case. GTHL muddied this too much that they are simply replaying game 2 tonight. Making it as if game 2 never happened. But screen shots live forever. As do reputations. The kids know the reality, the coaches know the truth, and everybody else probably will too.
(A) all fighting penalties/ejections carry a suspensions
(B) Agreed
(C) Agreed x2,
(D) Those are the rules of minor hockey for such an incident. Coaches can not dictate any decision, even a their own request. Once it came to the league office, they must deal with it accordingly.
Former G employee
Agreed, if SIR wanted to stick it to WH, they could have waited until WH beat them to raise the point. Seems the GTHL ruled that yes, he was suspended and he did play in a game which is a automatic default in the OHF rules, and adjusted the points as such. I have been around the league long enough and there is no way the coaches can decide what the outcomes are even if they try. It's unfair to be reeming wither of the WH or SIR coach for such things.
Just my 2 cents.
Re: 2010 GTHL A East
I’m not calling anyone an idiot or accusing anyone of anything. I’m honestly just trying to piece it all together as an outsider. This seems like a crazy situation. Much of what has been said makes no sense.Guest wrote: ↑Tue Mar 04, 2025 6:01 pmThat’s what I’m getting from this too. SIR coach is smarter than WH coach and knew kid was suspended. Or WH coach thought he could get away with it and didn’t. Either way this comes down to WH coach being a f*cking moron, but we always knew that right WH?Guest wrote: ↑Tue Mar 04, 2025 5:53 pmI’m honestly just trying to figure out what happened here. I’m sorry, but what this person says above makes absolutely no sense. You’re telling me that the SIR coach told the WH coach before game 3 “hey man that kid is suspended and he can’t play” and then the WH coach said “I don’t think so, but I’ll take your word for it!” And then THEY agreed that the kid WON’T play game 3 as long as SIR doesn’t protest game 2, which is a game that the suspended player played in. Huh???? Sorry dude, that makes no sense! That’s not how rules work. The WH coach and SIR coach don’t get to decide this. So a couple things: (A) How did the SIR coach know that a WH player was suspended, but the WH coach didn’t even know this? (B) If SIR wanted the forfeit/win, they could’ve easily just reported it to the G after game 2. Why didn’t they report it to the GTHL to get the win? (C) What would’ve happened if the SIR coach didn’t even tell the WH coach at all? He should’ve just “held onto this information” for longer and let the suspended player play multiple games so that multiple games can be forfeit. (D) Seems like a wild situation for the GTHL to nullify the game and decide to replay it. Not sure I’ve ever seen such a thing!Guest wrote: ↑Tue Mar 04, 2025 4:11 pmThe GTHL made an error on game sheet #1 that indicated 1 player suspension versus 2. While WH unaware of any wrongdoing they played 1 of those kids in game 2. The scheming ice raiders took note of this. Then they held onto this info, confronted WH with it 20 mins before game 3, and said if they sat the kid in question for game 3 that they wouldn’t protest game 2. WH took their word for it and agreed to sit the player even though they were unsure if he was even suspended. They didn’t have enough time to check with league on protocols, so they took less risky route and sat kid Clearly schemers didn’t expect WH to win game 3.Guest wrote: ↑Tue Mar 04, 2025 3:23 pm Points still listed at 4-2, but if you click on the series game 2 is gone, showing 1 win a piece. Me thinks the drama is just starting!
So, as low life’s do, they reneged on their word, and protested WH win in game 2. Too afraid of the 8th place team I guess. Classless, spineless.
If it had been a clear fault by west hill, and rules were broken, the game would have easily been reversed and the Schemers would be up 4-2 right now, even though they lost game 2 on ice. But it’s not the case. GTHL muddied this too much that they are simply replaying game 2 tonight. Making it as if game 2 never happened. But screen shots live forever. As do reputations. The kids know the reality, the coaches know the truth, and everybody else probably will too.
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