2009 GTHL AA West

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VP sweeps ST
MR sweeps TR
MB wins but loses a game to MNS
TE edge out VR

VP wins but loses a game to TE
MR wins but loses a game to MB

MR narrowly wins against VP

LF narrowly wins against MR

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VP sweeps ST
MR sweeps TR
MB wins but loses a game to MNS
TE edge out VR

VP wins but loses a game to TE
MR wins but loses a game to MB

MR narrowly wins against VP

LF narrowly wins against MR

Inside Info. The MR appeal is denied. Wait for playoff announcement today.

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I believe if MR gets points back, ST would be out and HVS would be in at 8.

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I believe if MR gets points back, ST would be out and HVS would be in at 8.

No

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VP sweeps ST
MR sweeps TR
MB wins but loses a game to MNS
TE edge out VR

VP wins but loses a game to TE
MR wins but loses a game to MB

MR narrowly wins against VP

LF narrowly wins against MR

This is crazy. I disagree with about half of this. But that's why we all get our own opinions.

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I believe if MR gets points back, ST would be out and HVS would be in at 8.

No

This comment isn't completely wrong. ST has a 3 point lead over HVS for 8th place. ST got 2 forfeit wins from MR, so that's 4 points. HVS got 1 forfeit win over MR for 2 points. So if they both get the points reversed then yes ST stays in 8th by 1 point. But if ST has their 2 games reversed, but the original protest by HVS remains, then ST loses 4 points and HVS keeps their forfeit and HVS moves 1 point ahead of ST.

These are all the considerations that make the reversal decision so difficult.

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I believe if MR gets points back, ST would be out and HVS would be in at 8.

No

This comment isn't completely wrong. ST has a 3 point lead over HVS for 8th place. ST got 2 forfeit wins from MR, so that's 4 points. HVS got 1 forfeit win over MR for 2 points. So if they both get the points reversed then yes ST stays in 8th by 1 point. But if ST has their 2 games reversed, but the original protest by HVS remains, then ST loses 4 points and HVS keeps their forfeit and HVS moves 1 point ahead of ST.

These are all the considerations that make the reversal decision so difficult.

Not associated with either team but why would the HVS be allowed to keep the 1 protested game while other teams wouldn't?

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This comment isn't completely wrong. ST has a 3 point lead over HVS for 8th place. ST got 2 forfeit wins from MR, so that's 4 points. HVS got 1 forfeit win over MR for 2 points. So if they both get the points reversed then yes ST stays in 8th by 1 point. But if ST has their 2 games reversed, but the original protest by HVS remains, then ST loses 4 points and HVS keeps their forfeit and HVS moves 1 point ahead of ST.

These are all the considerations that make the reversal decision so difficult.
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And demonstrates how dumb the application of forfeits are in this kind of case. The penalty now goes beyond the offending team and affects several teams. Teams are being rewarded forfeit points based solely on luck of the scheduling. The GTHL has to review this rule and change it going forward.

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This comment isn't completely wrong. ST has a 3 point lead over HVS for 8th place. ST got 2 forfeit wins from MR, so that's 4 points. HVS got 1 forfeit win over MR for 2 points. So if they both get the points reversed then yes ST stays in 8th by 1 point. But if ST has their 2 games reversed, but the original protest by HVS remains, then ST loses 4 points and HVS keeps their forfeit and HVS moves 1 point ahead of ST.

These are all the considerations that make the reversal decision so difficult.
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And demonstrates how dumb the application of forfeits are in this kind of case. The penalty now goes beyond the offending team and affects several teams. Teams are being rewarded forfeit points based solely on luck of the scheduling. The GTHL has to review this rule and change it going forward.
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just in..
MR denied

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This comment isn't completely wrong. ST has a 3 point lead over HVS for 8th place. ST got 2 forfeit wins from MR, so that's 4 points. HVS got 1 forfeit win over MR for 2 points. So if they both get the points reversed then yes ST stays in 8th by 1 point. But if ST has their 2 games reversed, but the original protest by HVS remains, then ST loses 4 points and HVS keeps their forfeit and HVS moves 1 point ahead of ST.

These are all the considerations that make the reversal decision so difficult.

And demonstrates how dumb the application of forfeits are in this kind of case. The penalty now goes beyond the offending team and affects several teams. Teams are being rewarded forfeit points based solely on luck of the scheduling. The GTHL has to review this rule and change it going forward.
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just in..
MR denied
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Until the playoff brackets are officially posted and the schedule is up, you don't know nothing.